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18 cats?

My head isn't THAT big (yeah, I don't know how my brain fits in there, either).

It can only fit five, and they have to be placed just-so.

New topic: whitefox_ca ...... GO!

time for a topic change obviously

plum you have eighteen cats on your head! although it is wild when cats lick your ears with their raspy tongues --

still -- I am wondering: are the ducks on the Fraser River feminist? And is it very feminist to want someone to wash my back?

ah, this message board cracks me up...

i wish my mom was a feminist.

Your mom is a feminist...

it's quote-y in here.

'Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition.'
-Timothy Leary

Well... shit, guess that makes me a feminist.

I was at a party Friday night and said to a group 'I don't understand how you can be a woman and NOT be a feminist' to which he replied 'I don't understand why all HUMAN BEINGS are not feminists.' Touche.

Things are never so bad they can't be made worse (Humphrey Bogart) -- ha! Issyvoo, you are wickedly funny --!

Ichi, you are a feminist if you think women are 'entitled to the same rights and freedoms as everyone else.'

Plum and Whitefox should realize that, when Bogart spoke of the beginning of a beautiful friendship, he and his new friend were almost certainly about to be killed.

Plum, this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Im not necessarily a feminist. It's just anyone who thinks women aren't entitled to the same right's and freedoms (etc)as everyone else, have some serious mental issues lol.

she was asking about you earlier in a way that made me very jealous...

It's all because of Ilsa, Plum -- all because of Ilsa

you are a very cynical person, fox, if you'll forgive me for saying so.

Plum -- I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Now, now....here's looking at you, kid

whitefox, you're ruining my pissy mood.

Happy Valentine's Day my Sweetheart Tiger feminists, non-feminists, and parrots alike -- hope all of you message-makers and readers alike have a great day

I need to see a ring first. You can email it to me if you want.

Marry me, kitkat76.

1889 Wilhelmina Drucker. First feminist in Holland. Telling people you're a feminist doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you a parrot.

Yes.I strongly believe in woman's rights. :)

whoa -- these French speed-skaters can bend anytime they want -- that's all that I can say

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

i -- for one -- LOVE when whitefox bends -- the rules.

I just said that to make myself look more erotic. Apparently, I was wrong.

Please please please, people, use capital letters (and stop using ellipses and dashes in place of periods)! Whitefox, you should know better! I know what you do for a living.

ps god forbid that anyone show off their 'intellectual wit' and 'knowledge' -- ho ho ho ho -- does anyone need to respond to that kind of comment?

wow these Northern Lights at the Opening Ceremonies are so beautiful -- we live in a beautiful country

guess who I saw downtown today?? QUEEN LATIFAH!!!!

hell yes --

whoops, made a mistake there...I meant 'which' and not 'what'!

I cun't understand some of these messages.....what language are they in?

LOL

And yes stickyfingers I think that counts haha.
I'm out of this thread now woot!

A debate is an exchange of ideas which are examined carefully and, when weaknesses or strengths are found in them, they are pointed out. This topic is indeed a serious one and calls for a serious exchange of ideas. I see no problem with that. Nor do I see a problem with some humour too. This thread is as good or as bad as those who participate. If some of you don't like the way the thread is going, jump in and alter it! It belongs to all of us, including you.

i like girls. does that count as an answer?

I just don't get why people can't just answer the question instead of turning everything into a debate so heated no one can enjoy it, or mocking it to the point where it can't be taken seriously. Just answer the question and move on. These thread are getting annoying I dont think I'll be replying on them anymore.

now that's sexist. and discriminatory.

I wish some of you would take these things a little more seriously...instead of showing off your intellectual wit and knowledge of pop culture.......It is an important topic and if a group of dykes or lesbians can't seriously discuss this... who can?

anyone who believes in womens rights and equal rights for women is a feminist. i would not consider myself a radical feminist but I do stand for womens rights!

actually there are no words to distinguish gender in Cree -- a person is just a person -- that is why sometimes elders confuse people as 'he' or 'she' -- it's not because they're dumb. It's because in the Cree language they look at the person first rather than the gender. I always thought that was rather interesting. That and the attitude towards time. A Blackfoot elder will tell: 'look at your watch to tell what time it isn't' -- ha ha -- love it!

Anyway, the Western scientific point of view leaves much to be desired in many cases -- it's all in one of my favourite books called 'Blackfoot Physics' by Leroy Littlebear and David Peat --

oooh... scathing reply

Cheney's got gay hair.

I guess I would be asking myself that question if I were the last person on earth, wouldn't I, Whitefox? Still, you get my point about misuse of modals. Don't your students write essays that include gems such as, 'I have one favourite movie. That would be Chicks and Cars.'

I'm not sure that a culture that 'automatically' gives one sex positions of power is one to which we want to aspire. These things should be given on merit, not based on plumbing, male or female.

Sarah Palin is also the lesbian feminist lover of Mary Cheney. The sex is so frickin' hot, it's incredible

this is much better

yes... only since sarah palin claimed to be a feminist.

Yes, I think that what Damasca said is true: we wouldn't have a need for feminism, or Women's Studies, if we were truly a pluralistic and democratic society (neither would we have Queer Studies or Indigenous Studies). The frame is set, and anything outside of the frame somehow gets an 'ist' attached to it. It's really weird when you think about it. For example, some of my friends who are traditional and indigenous say that the whole notion of feminism is a moot point. In some traditional indigenous culture (not necessarily all of them), the female automatically has a position of power. It's not even open for debate, and the whole notion of feminism is really quite silly. That to me illustrates the differences between cultures, let alone individuals (as I previously mentioned.)

And finally, Issyvoo -- if you were the last person on earth, you would have to sleep with yourself, wouldn't you? Otherwise, who would be the 'you' that you were addressing?

Yes

Word... to many of the well-raised points of you ladies. I am a feminist, but only because we (all people) have not yet achieve equality. Some say feminism is the natural result of years of oppression and patriarchy. Women have risen up, and continue to rise up, along with other oppressed people and I am a feminist as long as there is a need for it. Which may be for a while, yet, but progress is progress, and time moves slow on these streets.

Because people expect it of me, I should add that the question should not read, 'Would you consider yourself a feminist?' but, instead, 'Are you a feminist?' or 'Do you think of yourself as a feminist?' The word 'would' implies some sort of imaginary condition beginning with 'if,' as in, for example, 'If I were the last person on earth, would you sleep with me?'

'I'm a lesbian because I like boobs, not because I like feminism.' I like that, Valley! When I first came out, a lot of lesbians claimed to be lesbian as a form of feminism and that bothered me. It's also unfair to bisexual and straight women, as if a woman can only be a star feminist if she is only attracted to women.

Certainly, I am not keen on any feminism that posits that women are inherently different from men and then posits that we are superior. I'm a firm believer in gender as a construction.The physical differences between men and women are mere plumbing differences; the behaviours associated with those differences are not innate. As Whitefox says, everyone is an individual, not Woman or Man, but Person.

All that said, obviously women don't have equal rights and obviously that needs to change.

at any rate, I was quite serious about Mary Cheney. Is she a feminist? I mean, let's face it -- there are all sorts of interesting contradictions going on there. I don't hate her -- in fact, it makes her more interesting. Sometimes 'ism's can remove indvidual's contradictions -- and I don't particularly like that -- even if I do believe in the cause of the 'ism'. I think that it is important for every individual to define that for themselves -- to resist -- but certainly feminist theories can help an individual to define that for herself.

at any rate, I was quite serious about Mary Cheney. Is she a feminist? I mean, let's face it -- there are all sorts of interesting contradictions going on there. I don't hate her -- in fact, it makes her more interesting. Sometimes 'ism's can remove indvidual's contradictions -- and I don't particularly like that -- even if I do believe in the cause of the 'ism'. I think that it is important for every individual to define that for themselves -- to resist -- but certainly feminist theories can help an individual to define that for herself.

ok I will stop being silly about Mary Cheney -- although I have to say, I did get into HUGE trouble once with Women's Studies prof when she was quoting Helene Cixous regarding women writers. The quote has something to do with 'all women writers are writing from the one BIG WOMAN WRITER' -- or basically, that all women's writing is coming from the one big woman writer's consciousness, I suppose. I laughed out loud at that notion, and holy -- that prof hated me for the rest of my life. Still, it is an interesting idea that women writers might be writing from a Jungian type female superconscious, I suppose. At the same time, I am too much of an individualist (and possibly egotist) not to think that each person is absolutely individual in their entirety in many ways.

Yes, I do believe in feminism, but I do think that my brand of feminism would be different than someone else's. It's difficult to put that kind of thing in an 'ism', however. This is why I try to avoid all sorts of 'isms' myself.

I also met another feminist scholar who was trying to write a dissertation on Gertrude Stein in terms of transgenderism. Now it might be an interesting dissertation, but as far as I know, Gertrude Stein never changed her gender. So I have no idea what that particular person was doing. Maybe they just needed something to write about. (Maybe they needed to blab on Superdyke message boards.)

yes! I am a feminist. I make no apologies for talking about women's rights more than men's (there is enough talk about that everywhere else in my life) I would like more talk about lesbian rights within the gay/queer cultural movement as well. We all need to have our voices heard, no matter the political context if we desire equality. spending time criticizing people who talk too much about their rights makes it hard to listen to people who really need our alliance....ok, there's my soap box..now putting it away;)

i consider myself a feminist. i am proud to promote equality and recognize the struggles of women all over the world and throughout time.

Good point, issyvoo. Taking a gender studies course just makes things more obscure. My Gender Health class (listed as women's health but, being a 'feminist' my instructor changed it to gender health) spent 98% of the course on women's issues in a man's world and 2% on men and lgbt. How's that for equality?

My type of feminism hates the term feminism, honestly. I believe in equality for a sexes, genders, orientations and the expression of all of the above. I think any feminism that tries to knock men or 'the powers that be' down for the sake of climbing up a wee bit higher is a depressing regression of society.

What's that saying? Two wrongs don't make a what now?

I was being facetious, issyvoo. :)

I believe in celebrating ourselves and protecting our rights. We deserve nothing more and nothing less, as does every group. Simplicity is usually the answer, IMHO.

One thing's for sure - I'm a lesbian because I like boobs, not because I like feminism. I'm an unapologetic full-time working mother because I like feminism (and because of feminism).

This is where I align myself - but I'm always open to new ideas and exploring my own so if anyone has anything to share...

I'm still wondering what Mary Cheney is. Honestly.

The bra-burning was an urban myth, Valley. Never happened.

Any question of whether we consider ourselves feminists must hinge on what we think feminism is. Anyone who's taken a first year Women's Studies course, or has simply lived for a few years, knows that there are many different types of feminism and there is much disagreement amongst women about it. Some would say that simply earning more than your husband is a superficial understanding of feminism while others would say that it is very feminist. Some say that lesbianism is the ultimate feminist choice while others would strongly disagree... There's lesbian feminism, liberal feminism, Marxist feminism, etc... (Note that I have not aligned myself here with any of these. I'm simply saying they exist.)

And, as Anna mentions, we may also need to ask what a woman is, what a man is, and if those are the only two genders.

So, let the discussions begin!

yeah of course, equality for all sexes, and not just the two most of us are aware of!!!

Hmmm... I work harder and make more money than both ex-husbands, so yes.

But I was a closeted lesbian who has two ex-husbans, so maybe not.

What constitutes feminist these days? I'd burn my bra but it would be pretty uncomfortable for all of us...

no, I consider myself a Mary Cheney-ist. And now you know why I write all over Superdyke instead of watching tv like any normal person.

sure